MSDE Service permissions

Hi All,
I'm installing MSDE 2000 with a custom application (launched using
setup.exe, not integrating merge modules) and am having a problem with the
service permissions for SQL services. The custom app installer is being
build with Installshield Pro 6.3.
Everything works fine for admin users, but MSDE won't start for non-admin
users. The MSSQL$Instance service won't start unless it's logging on a Local
System.
I need non-admin users to have access to the database.
Is there any way to setup MSDE on install to work for everyone?
What does one need to do to manually configure it after install to work for
everyone?
Thanks,
leon.
hi Leon,
"LM" <leonm@.vtn-tech.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> Hi All,
> I'm installing MSDE 2000 with a custom application (launched using
> setup.exe, not integrating merge modules) and am having a problem with the
> service permissions for SQL services. The custom app installer is being
> build with Installshield Pro 6.3.
> Everything works fine for admin users, but MSDE won't start for non-admin
> users. The MSSQL$Instance service won't start unless it's logging on a
Local
> System.
> I need non-admin users to have access to the database.
> Is there any way to setup MSDE on install to work for everyone?
> What does one need to do to manually configure it after install to work
for
> everyone?
usually MSDE is installed setting the relative services account to
LocalSystem, that provide (far) enought privileges (on the local machine)
for all logged users...
have a look at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...l/THCMCh18.asp
for more restrictions..
Andrea Montanari (Microsoft MVP - SQL Server)
http://www.asql.biz/DbaMgr.shtmhttp://italy.mvps.org
DbaMgr2k ver 0.8.0 - DbaMgr ver 0.54.0
(my vb6+sql-dmo little try to provide MS MSDE 1.0 and MSDE 2000 a visual
interface)
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|||Hi Andrea,
By default the services use Local System option for log on. This worked fine
for all admin users but did not work for a non-admin user. When a non-admin
user logs in (local or domain user), the services won't start using Local
System. (side note: this is on a WinXP Pro machine). The non-admin user
cannot start or stop any service.
We did get it to work for the non-admin user by using the local
administrator account for log on (I goofed when trying it the first time by
using domain admin password instead of local admin password). This is not
the way we want to go, but it's the only way it does work right now.
I did find one thing via your link, in the Installation Recommendations:
"Create a least privileged local account with which to run the SQL Server
service. Use this account when you are prompted for service settings during
setup. Do not use the local system account or an administrator account. "
There is no prompt when installing MSDE. What exactly is a "least priviledge
local account"?
Any other suggestions are most welcome!
Thanks for your help.
leon.
"Andrea Montanari" <andrea.sqlDMO@.virgilio.it> wrote in message
news:2okhj5Fbml6lU1@.uni-berlin.de...[vbcol=seagreen]
> hi Leon,
> "LM" <leonm@.vtn-tech.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:Oe0QyXhhEHA.904@.TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
the[vbcol=seagreen]
non-admin
> Local
> for
> usually MSDE is installed setting the relative services account to
> LocalSystem, that provide (far) enought privileges (on the local machine)
> for all logged users...
> have a look at
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...l/THCMCh18.asp
> for more restrictions..
> --
> Andrea Montanari (Microsoft MVP - SQL Server)
> http://www.asql.biz/DbaMgr.shtmhttp://italy.mvps.org
> DbaMgr2k ver 0.8.0 - DbaMgr ver 0.54.0
> (my vb6+sql-dmo little try to provide MS MSDE 1.0 and MSDE 2000 a visual
> interface)
> -- remove DMO to reply
>
|||hi Leon,
"LM" <leonm@.vtn-tech.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> Hi Andrea,
> By default the services use Local System option for log on. This worked
fine
> for all admin users but did not work for a non-admin user. When a
non-admin
> user logs in (local or domain user), the services won't start using Local
> System. (side note: this is on a WinXP Pro machine). The non-admin user
> cannot start or stop any service.
actually they shoul'd run, as all this is intended to work this way... SQL
Server is run under another privileged account than the current logged
account, which only needs to connect to the specified server and query for
information..
perhaps you have to check your local policies...

> We did get it to work for the non-admin user by using the local
> administrator account for log on (I goofed when trying it the first time
by
> using domain admin password instead of local admin password). This is not
> the way we want to go, but it's the only way it does work right now.
I usually use a local account (not LocalSystem), with enought rights on
relevent share(s) if needed..

> I did find one thing via your link, in the Installation Recommendations:
> "Create a least privileged local account with which to run the SQL Server
> service. Use this account when you are prompted for service settings
during
> setup. Do not use the local system account or an administrator account. "
> There is no prompt when installing MSDE. What exactly is a "least
priviledge
> local account"?
no, there's not... that info is for a full blown SQL Server installation..
you have to set that property after MSDE installed, accessing the services
management applet... perhaps it can be done via WMI, but never tried it..
Andrea Montanari (Microsoft MVP - SQL Server)
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interface)
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|||more,
"Andrea Montanari" <andrea.sqlDMO@.virgilio.it> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:2omoccFcfn07U1@.uni-berlin.de...[vbcol=seagreen]
> hi Leon,
> "LM" <leonm@.vtn-tech.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:eO0WPBthEHA.2908@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
Local[vbcol=seagreen]
they do not have to... set the service's "start at boostrap" property...
Andrea Montanari (Microsoft MVP - SQL Server)
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DbaMgr2k ver 0.8.0 - DbaMgr ver 0.54.0
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interface)
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|||The instructions on the SQLServer Installation Recommendations say to create
a new user, remove it from the users group and use it for the service login.
We created an "msde" user, removed it from Users group, set it as the Log On
As account (it is listed in the "Log on as a service" policy), gave full
access rights for the data files to Everyone, and it doesn't work.
So you have installed MSDE 2000 A and had its service (MSDE$InstanceName)
starting with a non-admin log in?
If so, you must have some magic touch because we're trying this on 2
separate machines with the same failure on each. We'll be trying it on a
fresh XP install shortly, but I don't really expect different results.
Even when logged into the XP as an administrator, setting the MSDE service
login account to "msde" causes the service to fail on a start attempt. It
gives the following error:
Could not start the MSDE$... service on Local Computer.
Error 5: Access is Denied
How do you access the "start at boostrap" property of a service?
thanks,
leon.
"Andrea Montanari" <andrea.sqlDMO@.virgilio.it> wrote in message
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> more,
> "Andrea Montanari" <andrea.sqlDMO@.virgilio.it> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:2omoccFcfn07U1@.uni-berlin.de...
> Local
user
> they do not have to... set the service's "start at boostrap" property...
> --
> Andrea Montanari (Microsoft MVP - SQL Server)
> http://www.asql.biz/DbaMgr.shtmhttp://italy.mvps.org
> DbaMgr2k ver 0.8.0 - DbaMgr ver 0.54.0
> (my vb6+sql-dmo little try to provide MS MSDE 1.0 and MSDE 2000 a visual
> interface)
> -- remove DMO to reply
>
|||hi Leon,
"LM" <leonm@.vtn-tech.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:%233zBrHvhEHA.644@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> The instructions on the SQLServer Installation Recommendations say to
create
> a new user, remove it from the users group and use it for the service
login.
> We created an "msde" user, removed it from Users group, set it as the Log
On
> As account (it is listed in the "Log on as a service" policy), gave full
> access rights for the data files to Everyone, and it doesn't work.
> So you have installed MSDE 2000 A and had its service (MSDE$InstanceName)
> starting with a non-admin log in?
> If so, you must have some magic touch because we're trying this on 2
> separate machines with the same failure on each. We'll be trying it on a
> fresh XP install shortly, but I don't really expect different results.
> Even when logged into the XP as an administrator, setting the MSDE service
> login account to "msde" causes the service to fail on a start attempt. It
> gives the following error:
> Could not start the MSDE$... service on Local Computer.
> Error 5: Access is Denied
I do always use a local admin account, and I never use the special
LocalSystem account, created just for this purpose and never use an actual
local or domain administrator account. The account must be in the local
Administrators group if you're installing SQL Server on Windows NT or
Windows 2000. You can create this account before you begin installing SQL
Server, or you can change the account under which SQL Server runs at a later
time.
Setting less privileges is intended in not using a Domain Admin account for
network protection.
> How do you access the "start at boostrap" property of a service?
in the service management, select Startup Mode = automatic
Andrea Montanari (Microsoft MVP - SQL Server)
http://www.asql.biz/DbaMgr.shtmhttp://italy.mvps.org
DbaMgr2k ver 0.8.0 - DbaMgr ver 0.54.0
(my vb6+sql-dmo little try to provide MS MSDE 1.0 and MSDE 2000 a visual
interface)
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|||Hi Andrea
Sorry, referring to the automatic service startup as "start at bootstrap"
property is a little different terminology than I am used to. I do
understand the automatic startup option.
We will just include some instructions for setting up the app for non-admin
users.
Thanks for your help.
leon.
"Andrea Montanari" <andrea.sqlDMO@.virgilio.it> wrote in message
news:2ong8qFcg0ccU1@.uni-berlin.de...[vbcol=seagreen]
> hi Leon,
> "LM" <leonm@.vtn-tech.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:%233zBrHvhEHA.644@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> create
> login.
Log[vbcol=seagreen]
> On
(MSDE$InstanceName)[vbcol=seagreen]
service[vbcol=seagreen]
It
> I do always use a local admin account, and I never use the special
> LocalSystem account, created just for this purpose and never use an actual
> local or domain administrator account. The account must be in the local
> Administrators group if you're installing SQL Server on Windows NT or
> Windows 2000. You can create this account before you begin installing SQL
> Server, or you can change the account under which SQL Server runs at a
later
> time.
> Setting less privileges is intended in not using a Domain Admin account
for
> network protection.
> in the service management, select Startup Mode = automatic
> --
> Andrea Montanari (Microsoft MVP - SQL Server)
> http://www.asql.biz/DbaMgr.shtmhttp://italy.mvps.org
> DbaMgr2k ver 0.8.0 - DbaMgr ver 0.54.0
> (my vb6+sql-dmo little try to provide MS MSDE 1.0 and MSDE 2000 a visual
> interface)
> -- remove DMO to reply
>

MSDE Rel A stops during install

My installation of MSDE Rel A is stopping at the
following point in the log file:
Starting custom action InstallSqlRedis
Executing "C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server\80
\Tools\Binn\sqlredis.exe /q:a"
MSI (c) (B0:E4) [16:21:46:280]: Font created. Charset:
Req=0, Ret=0, Font: Req=MS Shell Dlg, Ret=MS Shell Dlg
Installation of the Microsoft Data Access Components
package failed.
MSI (s) (30!FC) [16:21:48:908]: Product: Microsoft SQL
Server Desktop Engine -- Installation of the Microsoft
Data Access Components package failed.
Action ended 16:21:48: InstallFinalize. Return value 3.
MSI (s) (30:B0) [16:21:48:978]: User policy
value 'DisableRollback' is 0
MSI (s) (30:B0) [16:21:48:978]: Machine policy
value 'DisableRollback' is 0
In order to get package failed comment, I have to "End
Task" on the sqlredis.exe from the task manager. No disk
activity is occuring. I tried on another box that has XP
Pro SP2 installed and it went on just fine.
Is there something installed that is blocking this.
I have the full line of Office products installed.
hi Paul,
Paul Konen wrote:
> My installation of MSDE Rel A is stopping at the
> following point in the log file:
> Starting custom action InstallSqlRedis
> Executing "C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server\80
> \Tools\Binn\sqlredis.exe /q:a"
> MSI (c) (B0:E4) [16:21:46:280]: Font created. Charset:
> Req=0, Ret=0, Font: Req=MS Shell Dlg, Ret=MS Shell Dlg
> Installation of the Microsoft Data Access Components
> package failed.
>...
try fixing the MDAC stack, which is currently not available as a refrresh
separated package for Win XP sp 2...
first, locate the mdac.inf file in c:\windows\inf right click and install..
when prompted for a location, point to
c:\windows\servicepackfiles\i386
then when prompted for the XP cd, either load the cd or point to your
\i386...
Andrea Montanari (Microsoft MVP - SQL Server)
http://www.asql.biz/DbaMgr.shtmhttp://italy.mvps.org
DbaMgr2k ver 0.11.1 - DbaMgr ver 0.57.0
(my vb6+sql-dmo little try to provide MS MSDE 1.0 and MSDE 2000 a visual
interface)
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|||Hi Andrea, I tried the fix you described and I stop at the same point.
I have the following in my task manager: (Hope this helps)
setup.exe
setupre.exe
sqlredis.exe
The timer on the Microsoft SqlServer shows 17 seconds. (This may not help)
Is there a install file or something I can modify to not make this install
happen quietly?
Thanks
"Andrea Montanari" wrote:

> hi Paul,
> Paul Konen wrote:
> try fixing the MDAC stack, which is currently not available as a refrresh
> separated package for Win XP sp 2...
> first, locate the mdac.inf file in c:\windows\inf right click and install..
> when prompted for a location, point to
> c:\windows\servicepackfiles\i386
> then when prompted for the XP cd, either load the cd or point to your
> \i386...
> --
> Andrea Montanari (Microsoft MVP - SQL Server)
> http://www.asql.biz/DbaMgr.shtmhttp://italy.mvps.org
> DbaMgr2k ver 0.11.1 - DbaMgr ver 0.57.0
> (my vb6+sql-dmo little try to provide MS MSDE 1.0 and MSDE 2000 a visual
> interface)
> -- remove DMO to reply
>
>
|||hi Paul,
Paul wrote:
> Hi Andrea, I tried the fix you described and I stop at the same point.
> I have the following in my task manager: (Hope this helps)
> setup.exe
> setupre.exe
> sqlredis.exe
> The timer on the Microsoft SqlServer shows 17 seconds. (This may not
> help)
> Is there a install file or something I can modify to not make this
> install happen quietly?
unfortunately, usually fixing the MDAC stack or manually running the
sqlredis.exe (which actually install/update MDAC) before the re-installation
does the trick....
Andrea Montanari (Microsoft MVP - SQL Server)
http://www.asql.biz/DbaMgr.shtmhttp://italy.mvps.org
DbaMgr2k ver 0.11.1 - DbaMgr ver 0.57.0
(my vb6+sql-dmo little try to provide MS MSDE 1.0 and MSDE 2000 a visual
interface)
-- remove DMO to reply
|||I tried to run the sqlredis while the installer was stuck and it didn't yield
any different results. Is there a different place to find the sqlredis that
may work.
Any other information I can provide that may help?
"Andrea Montanari" wrote:

> hi Paul,
> Paul wrote:
> unfortunately, usually fixing the MDAC stack or manually running the
> sqlredis.exe (which actually install/update MDAC) before the re-installation
> does the trick....
> --
> Andrea Montanari (Microsoft MVP - SQL Server)
> http://www.asql.biz/DbaMgr.shtmhttp://italy.mvps.org
> DbaMgr2k ver 0.11.1 - DbaMgr ver 0.57.0
> (my vb6+sql-dmo little try to provide MS MSDE 1.0 and MSDE 2000 a visual
> interface)
> -- remove DMO to reply
>
>
|||hi Paul,
Paul wrote:
> I tried to run the sqlredis while the installer was stuck and it
> didn't yield any different results. Is there a different place to
> find the sqlredis that may work.
>
nope, as no refresh distribution is available for MDAC 2.8 WinXP sp2...
just a note... you can eventually try downloading and installing the new sp4
from SQL2000.MSDE-KB884525-SP4-x86-ENU.EXE (full sp4 page at
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en)
which include a modified setup that better checks and installs MDAC only
when and if needed..
Andrea Montanari (Microsoft MVP - SQL Server)
http://www.asql.biz/DbaMgr.shtmhttp://italy.mvps.org
DbaMgr2k ver 0.11.1 - DbaMgr ver 0.57.0
(my vb6+sql-dmo little try to provide MS MSDE 1.0 and MSDE 2000 a visual
interface)
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|||hi Paul,
Paul wrote:
> OK, same results when installing under the SP4. Here is a snippet of
> the Log file during installation
no further idea :-(
Andrea Montanari (Microsoft MVP - SQL Server)
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|||Believe it or not, killing setupre.exe with the task manager once your setup
is frozen will allow the install to complete successfully. Not exactly a
Microsoft recommended solution, but it got me unstuck when I read about it
somewhere else.
John
"Paul Konen" wrote:

> My installation of MSDE Rel A is stopping at the
> following point in the log file:
>
|||That took care of it. I was always killing the sqlredis.exe and not setupre.
Thanks
Paul
"Process Patrol" wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Believe it or not, killing setupre.exe with the task manager once your setup
> is frozen will allow the install to complete successfully. Not exactly a
> Microsoft recommended solution, but it got me unstuck when I read about it
> somewhere else.
> John
> "Paul Konen" wrote:

MSDE Installation Failures

We have a custom client/server application that runs against MSDE. This
application is distributed to the field through a Setup CD. We used the
Installshield to create the setup program. Most of the times when the user
tries to install the application it fails after MSDE install saying that
"Your SQL Server is either corrupt or has been tampered with.". We try to
install a named instance. I haven't been able to find a solution to this
persistent and annoying problem. Most of my users use xp sp2 os.
Sometimes i have noticed that there is already a default instance of MSDE on
their laptops that came with some other application or the laptop itself. If
I remove that installation and then re-run our installation process it goes
smoothly.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks
Maan
hi Maan,
Maan Thakur wrote:
> We have a custom client/server application that runs against MSDE.
> This application is distributed to the field through a Setup CD. We
> used the Installshield to create the setup program. Most of the times
> when the user tries to install the application it fails after MSDE
> install saying that "Your SQL Server is either corrupt or has been
> tampered with.". We try to install a named instance. I haven't been
> able to find a solution to this persistent and annoying problem. Most
> of my users use xp sp2 os.
> Sometimes i have noticed that there is already a default instance of
> MSDE on their laptops that came with some other application or the
> laptop itself. If I remove that installation and then re-run our
> installation process it goes smoothly.
> Any help is appreciated.
> Thanks
> Maan
you usually get this kind of exception when machine name has been changed,
like reported in
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/inf...erver_name.asp
do you perform some "strange" operation at MSDE install time?
Andrea Montanari (Microsoft MVP - SQL Server)
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DbaMgr2k ver 0.10.0 - DbaMgr ver 0.56.0
(my vb6+sql-dmo little try to provide MS MSDE 1.0 and MSDE 2000 a visual
interface)
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|||Nothing "Strange". We actually use the installation package provided by
microsoft and ship it with our CD and it is called from inside of the
installation program.
"Andrea Montanari" wrote:

> hi Maan,
> Maan Thakur wrote:
> you usually get this kind of exception when machine name has been changed,
> like reported in
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/inf...erver_name.asp
> do you perform some "strange" operation at MSDE install time?
> --
> Andrea Montanari (Microsoft MVP - SQL Server)
> http://www.asql.biz/DbaMgr.shtmhttp://italy.mvps.org
> DbaMgr2k ver 0.10.0 - DbaMgr ver 0.56.0
> (my vb6+sql-dmo little try to provide MS MSDE 1.0 and MSDE 2000 a visual
> interface)
> -- remove DMO to reply
>
>

MSDE exchange

hi there,
How do i have a server side code/software that will connect all the field of
my exchange server to a MSDE database? i need custom fields and all address
fields? i need it to be a link if pos?
dorling
In message <46D35AD2-0C3E-47E9-9755-443F87EA5BF2@.microsoft.com>, dorling
<dorling@.discussions.microsoft.com> writes
>hi there,
>How do i have a server side code/software that will connect all the field of
>my exchange server to a MSDE database? i need custom fields and all address
>fields? i need it to be a link if pos?
>dorling
One simple answer is to use Forms in the Public Folders. Using Outlook
you can design and Publish these forms using templates and adding your
own custom fields as you go. You don't need MSDE or any other database
for that matter.
If you really need to hook Exchange into a backend database like MSDE
then the next real step would be to right your own plugin / extension
for Outlook. This would enable you to tie the two together but requires
learning more than T-SQL.
Andrew D. Newbould E-Mail: newsgroups@.NOSPAMzadsoft.com
ZAD Software Systems Web : www.zadsoft.com
|||hi there,
thanks for that, is there some code/software or a web site that i could use
to help me, hook Exchange into a backend database like MSDE? i want the data
to be live/link not copy if possible in to the Database?
Jonathan
"Andrew D. Newbould" wrote:

> In message <46D35AD2-0C3E-47E9-9755-443F87EA5BF2@.microsoft.com>, dorling
> <dorling@.discussions.microsoft.com> writes
> One simple answer is to use Forms in the Public Folders. Using Outlook
> you can design and Publish these forms using templates and adding your
> own custom fields as you go. You don't need MSDE or any other database
> for that matter.
> If you really need to hook Exchange into a backend database like MSDE
> then the next real step would be to right your own plugin / extension
> for Outlook. This would enable you to tie the two together but requires
> learning more than T-SQL.
> --
> Andrew D. Newbould E-Mail: newsgroups@.NOSPAMzadsoft.com
> ZAD Software Systems Web : www.zadsoft.com
>
|||It depends on the programming language you want to use. However, try
these sites out for starters as they cover more than one programming
language:
Planet Source Code - http://www.pscode.com
Developers Dex - http://www.codecomments.com
Developer Fusion - http://www.developerfusion.com
The Code Project - http://www.codeproject.com
Source Forge - http://www.sourceforge.net
Kind Regards,
Andrew.
In message <65FEA908-558A-4B05-8ACF-93EA81C5D17D@.microsoft.com>, dorling
<dorling@.discussions.microsoft.com> writes[vbcol=seagreen]
>hi there,
>thanks for that, is there some code/software or a web site that i could use
>to help me, hook Exchange into a backend database like MSDE? i want the data
>to be live/link not copy if possible in to the Database?
>Jonathan
>"Andrew D. Newbould" wrote:
Andrew D. Newbould E-Mail: newsgroups@.NOSPAMzadsoft.com
ZAD Software Systems Web : www.zadsoft.com
|||hi there,
I am going to be builting this apps in VB6!!
Jonathan
"Andrew D. Newbould" wrote:

> It depends on the programming language you want to use. However, try
> these sites out for starters as they cover more than one programming
> language:
> Planet Source Code - http://www.pscode.com
> Developers Dex - http://www.codecomments.com
> Developer Fusion - http://www.developerfusion.com
> The Code Project - http://www.codeproject.com
> Source Forge - http://www.sourceforge.net
> Kind Regards,
> Andrew.
>
> In message <65FEA908-558A-4B05-8ACF-93EA81C5D17D@.microsoft.com>, dorling
> <dorling@.discussions.microsoft.com> writes
> --
> Andrew D. Newbould E-Mail: newsgroups@.NOSPAMzadsoft.com
> ZAD Software Systems Web : www.zadsoft.com
>
|||Then also check out these other good sites:
VB Net - http://vbnet.mvps.org
VB City - http://www.vbcity.com
VB IP - http://www.vbip.com
Kind Regards,
Andrew
In message <D1A6DB20-A3B8-4A77-ADEA-3A423B54D664@.microsoft.com>, dorling
<dorling@.discussions.microsoft.com> writes[vbcol=seagreen]
>hi there,
>I am going to be builting this apps in VB6!!
>Jonathan
>"Andrew D. Newbould" wrote:
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