MSDE pricing policy about CAL

hi
i have a right to use and deploy MSDE with my application
because i am a member of MSDN enterprise subscription..
but
1. i dont know should i buy CAL for client if my solution is server/client
architecture?
2. i dont know should i buy CAL for client if my solution is internet
architecture?
JINYou don't need CALs for use with MSDE, it's all free if you have an MSDN
subscription.
The downside of MSDE is ofcourse that the database size is limited (2GB max)
and the number of concurrent workloads as well, so not many users can
connect to it at the same time, which all makes it only usuable for small
scale applications:
For more info see:
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/msde/howtobuy/msdeuse.asp
Jacco Schalkwijk
SQL Server MVP
"ice" <yjwon@.geomania.com> wrote in message
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> hi
> i have a right to use and deploy MSDE with my application
> because i am a member of MSDN enterprise subscription..
> but
> 1. i dont know should i buy CAL for client if my solution is server/client
> architecture?
> 2. i dont know should i buy CAL for client if my solution is internet
> architecture?
> JIN
>
>|||You would only need CALs in this case, I believe, if you are going to use
SQL Server client tools (such as Enterprise Manager, Query Analyzer, etc) to
manage the database(s).
However, I am not a lawyer, and have not spent the last 8 years forensically
examining the EULA for MSDE. So don't consider this legal advice, only
practical and largely unsolicited. :-)
"ice" <yjwon@.geomania.com> wrote in message
news:blua3h$2a9$1@.news.hananet.net...
> hi
> i have a right to use and deploy MSDE with my application
> because i am a member of MSDN enterprise subscription..
> but
> 1. i dont know should i buy CAL for client if my solution is server/client
> architecture?
> 2. i dont know should i buy CAL for client if my solution is internet
> architecture?
> JIN
>
>|||Maybe it is time for microsoft.public.sqlserver.licensing? ;-)
Your answer made me think, and after some searching I now think that you
don't need CALs to use EM with MSDE, but you need a SQL Server production
license (Standard or Enterprise) to use EM, MSDN or Developer Edition won't
do. Alternatively, there are freeware tools available for use with MSDE,
search google for "MSDE tools".
--
Jacco Schalkwijk
SQL Server MVP
"Aaron Bertrand - MVP" <aaron@.TRASHaspfaq.com> wrote in message
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> You would only need CALs in this case, I believe, if you are going to use
> SQL Server client tools (such as Enterprise Manager, Query Analyzer, etc)
to
> manage the database(s).
> However, I am not a lawyer, and have not spent the last 8 years
forensically
> examining the EULA for MSDE. So don't consider this legal advice, only
> practical and largely unsolicited. :-)
>
>
> "ice" <yjwon@.geomania.com> wrote in message
> news:blua3h$2a9$1@.news.hananet.net...
> > hi
> >
> > i have a right to use and deploy MSDE with my application
> > because i am a member of MSDN enterprise subscription..
> >
> > but
> >
> > 1. i dont know should i buy CAL for client if my solution is
server/client
> > architecture?
> >
> > 2. i dont know should i buy CAL for client if my solution is internet
> > architecture?
> >
> > JIN
> >
> >
> >
> >
>|||> Maybe it is time for microsoft.public.sqlserver.licensing? ;-)
I agree. MS legal should be responsible for fielding questions about
licensing, because none of us can ever seem to get it straight.
> Your answer made me think, and after some searching I now think that you
> don't need CALs to use EM with MSDE, but you need a SQL Server production
> license (Standard or Enterprise) to use EM,
That might be true. I assume, though, that if you have a SQL Server
production license and are using EM against it, you either need a CAL to do
so (and in turn to use it against MSDE as well), or else you have paid for
processor license(s) (in which case you've spent enough money that, ideally,
they shouldn't hassle you for MSDE :-))))).
Again, not legal advice, of course.
> Alternatively, there are freeware tools available for use with MSDE,
> search google for "MSDE tools".
I also maintain a list: http://www.aspfaq.com/2442|||Also, this verbage is interesting, from
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/howtobuy/faq.asp :
Q. What type of license do I need if SQL Server Personal Edition or
Microsoft SQL Server Desktop Engine (MSDE) accesses SQL Server?
A. It depends on which licensing model you have for SQL Server. Here are the
guidelines:
- Processor license. You can install SQL Server Personal Edition and
MSDE on any number of devices for use with SQL Server.
- Server plus device CAL. You must have a CAL for each device on which
SQL Server Personal Edition or MSDE is installed.
- Server plus user CAL. You must have a CAL for each user accessing SQL
Server Personal Edition or MSDE.
I don't even think the web site has it right... they're lumping PE and MSDE
together, when they are clearly different beasts.

MSDE or SQL-SERVER ?? help

Hello can someone help me out, i need to know if i buy the 5 User Cal license of MS-SQL server, does that mean that only 5 people on the network or through the web can access the database? Is that true?
How can i use the SQL Server in the following way:
2-4 users running on a local area network
10-15 concurrent users online
Database size will grow each year by 800-1000mb, i know the MSDE limit is 2Gig,
How can i get a solution to the above problem? what is my best bet to utilize SQL-Server? MSDE Or some other type of sql product?
MSDE has been shown to support far more than 10-15 users. It all depends on
how well the application is written and how your code manages the connection
and the server resource. SQL Express which is due out in 2005 ups the limit
to 4GB. However, with appropriate archiving, you can keep within the limits.
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Microsoft MVP
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"Artmic" <Artmic@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Hello can someone help me out, i need to know if i buy the 5 User Cal
license of MS-SQL server, does that mean that only 5 people on the network
or through the web can access the database? Is that true?
> How can i use the SQL Server in the following way:
> 2-4 users running on a local area network
> 10-15 concurrent users online
> Database size will grow each year by 800-1000mb, i know the MSDE limit is
2Gig,
> How can i get a solution to the above problem? what is my best bet to
utilize SQL-Server? MSDE Or some other type of sql product?
>
|||Ok thanks, i guess i will go ahead with the MSDE and switch to SQL Express when it is available... it is just not economic for a small site to buy a multi-thousand dollar processor license for Online volume that is laughable IMO.
"William (Bill) Vaughn" wrote:

> MSDE has been shown to support far more than 10-15 users. It all depends on
> how well the application is written and how your code manages the connection
> and the server resource. SQL Express which is due out in 2005 ups the limit
> to 4GB. However, with appropriate archiving, you can keep within the limits.
> --
> ____________________________________
> William (Bill) Vaughn
> Author, Mentor, Consultant
> Microsoft MVP
> www.betav.com
> Please reply only to the newsgroup so that others can benefit.
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
> __________________________________
> "Artmic" <Artmic@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:703D7809-DB32-4557-825D-0C7F1F689BEC@.microsoft.com...
> license of MS-SQL server, does that mean that only 5 people on the network
> or through the web can access the database? Is that true?
> 2Gig,
> utilize SQL-Server? MSDE Or some other type of sql product?
>
>